Got this seat over the net a few months ago, was told that it was a Bates, didn't look too carefully at the ad and thought the price was fair. When I got it, I tried to like it but it was just too thick. Seller was straight up, the ad mentioned "nice and thick". Anyway, I'm no seat maker by any means so lets see where this take me. Gotta change it and don't want to use up any more resources. Will need help finishing.